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I have finished installing tyroc in my basement. I have a 55″ projection tv that is fairly heavy and on wheels. The TV is currently in a storage room that doesn’t have tyroc. Should I be concerned about damage to the tyroc when I roll the TV out of storage onto the tyroc? The TV has 4 wheels and weighs ~250 lbs.
Ted,
There is no reason for concern here. Tyroc will support your projection TV on wheels.
Tyroc is made from rubber tires and used plastic bottles. I’m most concerned about leached fumes from these plastic bottle and rubber products. Could you comment on that?
Dennis, Tyroc Subflooring has no off gassing (leached fumes) from the recycled post consumer plastic and recycled rubber tires.
Is it really acceptable to use ceramic tile directly over Tyroc? It would seem the flexible/floating nature of the material would cause at least grout cracking and maybe worse. Are there any installations of tile over Tyroc in a basement that you can refer to or references that you can show that this isn’t a concern? I read the test report of the Robinson-Type floor tester and that doesn’t sound very good that after 3 cycles there was a broken tile and broken grout joint. How does this compare to other underlayments for tile in a basement? I really want to use Tyroc because it has many good features but I’m worried about tiling over it.
Ted, yes it is acceptable to tile directly over Tyroc using the recommended thin set and grout. Please refer below to two testimonials from a consumer and contractor and you can go to our website showing more testimonials and actual installations of tile over Tyroc on our website. These installations include Tyroc Subflooring and ceramic tile installations over both concrete and wood substrates (and both below grade and above grade).
Please note that Tyroc did meet the standards and rating for Residential “Kitchen, Bathroom and Foyer” applications of ceramic tile over Tyroc in the Robinson-Type floor tester. This test is a destruction test. The purpose of the test is to determine at what point does the total assembly fail and to what standard the assembly meets the testing standards (or rating) according to the TCNA (Tile Council of North America).
Are you suppose to seal the edges that meet the walls to the concrete floor with anything to get an airtight space between the floor and the tyroc or is it not suppose to be airtight? Planning on leaving a bit of space so that I can nail a tack strip for the carpet.
Dave, there is no no need to seal the edges that meet the walls. You can butt the Tyroc up to the walls. Using the PL Premium glue (same glue as you use for the seams of the panels) glue the back of your tack strip and then nail directly to the edge of the Tyroc panels.
I have three questions:
1) Where can I purchase Tyrok in Prince George, B.C. ? (approximately 1200 square
feet)
2) Will Tyrok support a home gym with two 300 lb. weight stacks (the gym is set on
5/8″ rubber mats) ?
3) The Tyrok will be installed over an area that contains a basement floor drain that is
sloped and somewhat sunken from the basement floor level. Is there a method
using an inorganic material to support the Tyrok that will solve the problem and still
allow water to flow into the drain ?
Brynne, I will have to check with my distributor in B.C. to see if they have a dealer in Prince George. It may require a delivery from the closest location.
Tyroc will support your home gym. Tyroc Subflooring is flexible and will conform to your basement slab, the grooves on the bottom allow access water to flow to the drain. You will want to level the concrete floor to an acceptable level (within an 1/8″ tolerance) up to the drain. At the drain area you may need to install a separate grate over the drain to support the Tyroc to avoid any failure in that area and still allow for the water to flow into the drain.
Thanks for your blog and the opportunity to ask questions!
We’re interested in using Tyroc in gutted subgrade kitchen and laundry areas. Please advise whether we should run Tyroc on the slab and then install cabinets, or install cabinets and then run Tyroc up to them?
Based on the thermal raise you have described your product as providing and the fact that cabinets are adjacent to exterior walls in some places, it would be nice to have that in the whole floor surface, and not just up to the base cabinets- which will of course also be attached to the walls..
Thank you.
Josie, You can install your cabinets over Tyroc Subflooring.
I will be buying this product for my basement floor. I would also like to use MgO board for the walls, but cannot find a supplier. Your product is basically MgO board glued to the recycled material. Would you also sell just the MgO board itself? If not, can you direct me to suppliers of MgO board in the Northeast?
Billy, check with Marjam Supply that sells our Tyroc Subflooring. I believe that they also sell a MgO board for walls. Locations for Marjam Supply are on our website just click on Marjam logo.
I am finishing my basement and I want to install Tyroc first and then do the interior non-load bearing walls. Is there a risk of damaging the Tyroc while finishing the rest of the space with drywall, etc.?
Ted, Tyroc Subflooring will hold up while you finish out your space with drywall etc. However you may want to consider purchasing our Gorilla Shield product to protect the Tyroc from spillage while you are installing and tapping your drywall. Where are you located? Or you can use other types of flooring covering protection.
I’m in Chaska, MN. I’m planning to purchase the Tyroc from MyCompleteBasement in Mankato.
I just purschased the Tyroc subfloor for my basement. Could you recommend a specific constructions adhesive that is low to no VOC? I was thinking of gong with the TiteBond Green Choice brand but wasn’t sure which one to use. They do have a subfloor version but I couldn’t confirm if it would be appropriate on rubber. If you have any other recommendations, please advise.
Also, how many tubes would I need? I ordered 87 Tyroc pieces.
Alex each Tyroc panel has 5.33 linear feet of overlap seams that require coverage. Take the # of panels in your installation x 5.33 and divide by the total coverage of your tube size.
For a 10 fl. oz. cartridge:
A ¼” (6 mm) bead extrudes approximately 30.6 ft (935 m).
For a 28 fl. oz. cartridge:
A ¼” (6 mm) bead extrudes approximately 85.8 ft (26.1 m).
Alex, the recommended construction adhesive for Tyroc Subflooring panels is PL Premium.
Loctite® PL® Premium® Polyurethane Construction Adhesive is a one component, polyurethane based, moisture-curing adhesive. It is VOC compliant and contains no chlorinated solvents or water. Loctite® PL® Premium® provides superior adhesion to most common construction materials. It can be used for interior or exterior projects and is 3X as strong as ordinary construction adhesives. It is also waterproof, paintable and cures even in cold temperatures. Ideal for sub floor installations.
Hope you’re not sick of these questions, but is there anywhere around Winnipeg to get tyroc?
Jon, we always want to direct customers to where they can buy Tyroc Subflooring. In Winnipeg please contact any building supplier and let them know they can get Tyroc Subflooring from Lancashire Distributors.
How durable is the surface of the tyroc. I’ve got a 3-5 yr basement development plan and since tyroc is the first step am a little concerned abou walking on it for a long period of time.
Ken,Tyroc Subflooring surface will hold up to normal traffic walking over it for long periods of time. However, it is not meant to be a finished flooring surface. Be sure you use PL Premium glue on the seams.
I am in Richmond VA. Were can I buy Tyroc
Andre, You can order Tyroc Subflooring from Marjam Supply. They can deliver it to your location. Please refer to their locations that are closest to you. Or you can call or email me direct and I can help direct you. Just go to our contact page on our website or click on the Marjam logo for locations.
Can Tyroc be used as 1st floor subflooring laying across wooden floor joists? Or will it buckle/crack when walked upon? Also, why don’t you have an 800 # for better info disbursement?
Mark, Tyroc Subflooring is not designed to be used over wooden floor joists. It requires a substrate either a wood substrate over floor joist or concrete slab.
The plan is for applying Tyroc over a basement slab, then electric radiant heat and to finish a engineered wood floor.
What preparations are required between layers in order for a sound installation?
Tony, electric radiant heating systems can be installed over Tyroc Subflooring. Please refer to the engineered wood flooring manufacturer for proper preparations between the radiant heating system and the engineered wood flooring product.
What temperature increase can I expect from this project on a concrete basement floor?
Kevin contractors and home owners have reported a 10F + increase in their floor temperature and over all space temps after installing Tyroc Subflooring.
Starting a basement finishing project and would like to install tyroc sub-floor. I will be insulating the concrete walls with 2″ rigid foam board. Do I install the rigid foam board first all the way to the concrete slab and then run tyroc to up to the foam board, or should I first install the tyroc sub-floor up to the concrete wall and then install the foam board on top of the tyroc? Or does it not matter?
Jay, you can do it either way. I would first install the Tyroc and then install the foam board to prevent any wicking of moisture up into your foam board.
Thanks… Next question. I will be framing on top of the tyroc. How to I fasten the bottom plate. Just to the tyroc, or all the way through to the concrete slab. Can I use Ramset nails with .22cal shot or do I have to use tapcon screws?
Jay you need to fasten your bottom plate all the way through to the concrete slab. You can use Ramset or Tapcon screws. Tyroc will protect your bottom plate from any potential moisture and mold issues. It will take a nail or a screw but will not secure it. So it is necessary to go into the slab for securing.
Out of curiosity where are you located and how big is your project?
Long Island, NY…. I have roughly 1300 sq ft to cover. Thanks for the reply.
Jay you can get your Tyroc Subflooring from Marjam Supply on Long Island at their Farmingdale location.
Long Island, NY… I have about 1300 sq. ft. to cover. Thanks for the reply.
Jay, Tyroc Subflooring is available through Marjam Supply on Long Island at Farmingdale or Mattituck.
Jay, I’ve been mulling over this same issue whether to run the rigid foam down to the concrete slab or just on top of tyroc.
If you install the Tyroc wall to wall first and then the rigid foam board to rest on top of it, then wouldn’t moisture seeping through the walls trickle down to the top of the tyroc and have access to your bottom plate wood/tacking strips/carpet?
Kate, if you are installing non load bearing walls on top of the Tyroc and running the Tyroc Subflooring wall to wall you can leave a small gap at the wall to allow the excess moisture seeping through the walls to run down and under the Tyroc. The moisture will follow the path of least resistance. The gap need not be more than 1/8″ – 1/4″.
Hi there – I would like to install a tongue and groove hardwood floor in my basement over top of Tyroc which is placed directly on the slab… I believe this floor requires nails… what is the recommended approach?
Craig yes you can install hardwood flooring over Tyroc in your basement. Tyroc Subflooring will protect your hardwood floor providing the moisture barrier you need. There are two installation methods you can use for your hardwood flooring. Glue down installation or nail down installation. If you use the nail down installation you will need to install a 3/4″ layer of plywood over the Tyroc Subflooring to allow for the nail to anchor. The glue down installation eliminates the need for the plywood layer. In both cases be sure your concrete floor is level as the Tyroc will conform to the concrete substrate. If needed bring the flooring substrate up to spec by using a self leveling patch in any low spots over the Tyroc before installing either the plywood layer or gluing down the finished hardwood flooring.
I like the recommendation to build non load bearing (e.g. perimeter basement walls) on top of Tyroc. If I understand correctly, then it sounds like installing Tyroc would be the first step in my basement construction (followed by walls, plumbing, electrical, insulation, drywall etc.). My only concern is will Tyroc hold up to all the construction traffic (boots, ladders, material piles) by the time I get to the wood floors at the end? What about dust getting in the cracks? Should I cover/protect the Tyroc during construction?
Mark, Tyroc can take a good bit of abuse but I would recommend depending on how much construction you will be doing that you consider our Gorilla Shield product to help protect your Tyroc Subflooring during finish out construction. It comes in 48″ x 25 ft rolls of 1/4″ thickness see our website for more information and if you are interested contact me for pricing.
can you tell me if I am able to purchase this underflooring in the Kitchener Waterloo area?
Albino,
You can purchase Tyroc Subflooring from TimBr Mart in Tavistock and they will deliver to your project site. You can also purchase Tyroc from Turkstra Lumber in Cambridge and they deliver as well. Or you can go to your local Home Hardware Building Center store and they can order it in if they are not stocking it.
Let me know if I can be of more help.
Thank you.
Where can I get this in or around St Paul AB (2 hrs east of Edmonton)?
Elisabeth,
You can purchase Tyroc Subflooring from TimBr Mart in Calgary or Edmonton.
Hi Doug,
I tried calling Edmonton tim-br mart about your product and they said they had never heard of it and dont supply it. Any other dealers in edmonton?
thanks
Elisabeth, Tim-Br Mart or Timber Town can get Tyroc Subflooring through Lancashire Distributors. If you need further help please email or contact me direct by going to our contact page on our website and I can help you find a source.
What about porcelain plank tiles? I haven’t found any mention of these on your site.
How about heavy metro wire shelves on casters. I’ve seen some floor products that suggest minimum wheel diameter of 2 inches. Will Tyroc support lesser diameters?
Also, a post below mentions the flexibility of tyroc, and that dips in the foundation wouldn’t be a problem if using ceramic tile, because the weight of materials will bring tyroc down to foundation before it solidifies. So, what if using floating click-style wood/bamboo planks, where there’s less weight? I’m concerned about the click joints flexing too much, weakening the joints. We have a floor that’s not easy to level, so I was initially interested in the tyroc’s ability to go over minor height variances.
Thanks!
Scott, Tyroc will support your porcelain plank tiles and any fixtures that you install over your finished flooring (provided that your finished flooring supports the fixture). Tyroc Subflooring conforms to the substrate. Your substrate needs to be brought up to the specifications required by the finished flooring product. Tyroc Subflooring will go over minor height variances and help level out the floor, however this is dependent on your definition of minor height variances. Most finished flooring requires the substrate or subflooring to be within a tolerance of less than 1/8″ over a 8′ span. A self leveling patch may be required to bring your substrate up to specifications.
Is there a dealer in the Detroit, MI area?
Lenny, currently we do not have a dealer in Detroit, MI however we can deliver direct from our warehouse. Please contact me direct through our contact us page on our website.
I am also looking for Tyroc in Calgary as a post back in June that was not answered. I also contacted some of the suppliers on your website, but none knew of your product or that they offered it.
Are there any suppliers out in Calgary? If not, are there any that are nearby that I could get them to ship to me? Do you know the cost of the product out here? I would need about 800 sq feet.
Also is this product ok to install in an electrical room, and what kind of space should be left around hot water tanks and a furnace if necessary.
thanks so much,
Ken Tyroc Subflooring is available through TimberTown or Windsor Plywood in your area. When you call ask for the contractors desk. If they don’t tell you they don’t know about it ask for the store manager as they can order it in from the distributor there. You will have to check with them on pricing. In terms of the space to leave around your hot water tanks and furnace just lay up the Tyroc up to area around them. Tyroc will not be affected by either.
I am laying floating hardwood planks on top of tyroc. I am just wondering is better to lay the planks perpendicular or parallel to the longside of the tyroc orientation.
Anne lay your floating hardwood planks perpendicular to the longside of the Tyroc orientation.
I am planning to install 620 sq ft of Tyroc with vinyl plank floor on top. I am concerned about trapping humidity and moisture in the air under the Tyroc which defeats the purpose of allowing the concrete to breathe and stay dry. Do you recommend installing perimeter ventilation grilles to allow ventilation of the airspace below the Tyroc floor? Dricore seems to recommend a grille every 10 ft around the perimeter.
Gus Tyroc Subflooring is designed with air flow channels in the diamond pattern of the underside of the panel to allow movement of air over the concrete. This also allows for access moisture in the event of minor leakage from your walls if it were ever to occur to flow to your drain or sump pump. We do not recommend ventilation grilles on the perimeter as they are not needed or required.
I am planning to finish a basement in St Louis. Approximately 2500 sq ft. I plan on using 2″ rigid foam on the walls, foundation top to sill plate and rim joist using spray foam to seal joints. I also see you recommend building non load bearing walls on the Tyroc. So my question is what is the best practice for the tyroc and foam board interface? I think i should run the tyroc up to the wall first, then foam board outside wall on top of the Tyroc. But do i seal the tyroc wall intersection? I know i will need to seal the tyroc foam intersection.
Thanks!
Jon, yes you can run the Tyroc to the wall and you can seal the Tyroc wall intersection.
I am in the process of a basement remodel in St. Louis, MO. Want to install Tyroc over concrete floor. Where is it available for purchase near St. Louis, MO?
We can deliver direct from our warehouse. Currently we don’t have a dealer in St. Louis.
If you can tell me the size of your project in sq.ft. and when you would like it delivered I can send you quote.
Please provide and address for delivery as well. Email me at dweber@bjetinc.com.
Carpet on Tyroc.
How much space to leave between edge of Tyroc and wall to allow placement of carpet tacks? This is a follow up question to the recommendations on placing the tack strip directly on the concrete and not through the tyroc and into the concrete. I guess it would depend on the width of the tack strip but what thickness is too thick — what if the tack is 1.5 inches wide, is it okay to have this gap all around the perimeter? Will it affect the ‘integrity’ of the subfloor? Thanks
Tom, the carpet tack strip can be applied directly on the Tyroc surface board. You will need to glue the tack strip to the Tyroc with a construction glue. We recommend PL Premium. Glue the tack strip and nail as normal the tack strip to the Tyroc surface board.
Hi, Thanks for the reply. To be clear, the carpet tack strip goes on top of the tyroc and not directly on the concrete? So there is no need for a gap between the tyroc and perimeter wall to allow carpet tack strip to go directly on to the concrete? This was mentioned in one of the blog answers.
If the tack strip is on tyroc, does the strip have to be nailed/screwed through the tyroc alone or through tyroc and into the concrete base/floor also?
Thanks
Yes the tack strip goes on top of the Tyroc Subflooring and not directly on the concrete. There is no need for a gap between the Tyroc Subflooring and perimeter wall. Use the recommend method of installing the tack strip to Tyroc Subflooring as outlined below. The tack strip does not need to be screwed or nailed into the concrete.
Install the Tyroc Subflooring butting the edge of surface board to the wall. There is no need for a ¼” expansion joint as Tyroc Subflooring will not expand or contract with temperature changes. To insure against any breaking of the surface board overhang on this edge when you hammer in the nails of the tack strip trim back the surface board to the rubber underlayment.
Apply enough construction glue (we recommend Loctite PL Premium) to perform a good bond between the tack strip and the Tyroc Subflooring surface board.
Install the tack strip to the Tyroc Subflooring surface board as you normally would if installing the tack strip to a wood subfloor.
Need help, I am getting ready to do a carpet install over Tyroc. The Tyroc is already installed. How do I secure the tackless strip. I have been told I cannot nail the tackless into the Tyroc as they will not hold. I use a Pam Hotmelt Thermoplastic system to secure tackless strip to substrates that I cannot nail to, ie: heavy aggregate concrete, wood subfloors that my customer does not want nails in etc, sometimes I will use a heavy construction adhesive, are either one of these methods OK for installing the tackless if I cannot use nails. Also, it occures the me, using nails in the Tyroc may negate its moisutre barrier properties
Ronald you can use most any adhesive that bonds to the wood tackless strip as the MgO board bonds to most anything. We recommend the PL Premium. The nails in the tack strip if less than a 1/2″ will not penetrate through the rubber backing so you won’t negate the moisture barrier however the MgO board will not hold a nail.
Hello
Is applying ditra over tyroc overkill ?
Is tyroc affected by the use of heating cables/mats ?
Yes Ditra over Tyroc Subflooring would be overkill. Tyroc Subflooring is your moisture barrier, de-coupling and crack isolation barrier, as well as your underlayment all in one for your tile installation. Tyroc is not affected by the use of heating cables/mats. Be sure to install your cables or mats over the Tyroc not under it. Tyroc will help improve the efficiency of your radiant heating system as you will not loose your heat transfer down.
When installing, do i build my 2 x 4 stud walls on top of the tyroc to allow air flow or do i nail the walls to the ground and butt the tyroc up against the edge of the walls?
Pat we recommend installing Tyroc Subflooring to the perimeter of the space and building your non-load bearing stud walls on top of the Tyroc Subflooring. It will protect your stud walls from wicking up any moisture and developing mold or mildew. This will also keep your finished walls off the concrete and protect them as well from wicking up any moisture from the concrete floor. Tyroc Subflooring does not expand or contract so you can butt up to the perimeter walls there is no need to leave a gap but you don’t have to be tight either allow for easy installation.
Hi, I am planning on building non-load bearing walls on top of Tyroc in my basement. There is some minor pooling in one section of floor where it meets the cnider block wall. If I do as you recommend, is there any possiblity of water coming up around the nails holding the plate down and getting to the plate?
Nick be sure you are anchoring your plate into the concrete. Tyroc Subflooring will not hold a nail. I suggest you use tapcon screws to anchor your plate by drilling the hole through the plate and sealing the head of the screw with silicon sealer.
We would like to install a hardwood look-alike Armstrong vinyl plank floor and a Tyroc subfloor in our basement which is currently carpeted. I presume we would first rip out the carpet. I read on your website that almost any flooring can be installed directly over Tyroc. I don’t want to raise the floor overly much. Can vinyl planks be installed without plywood underneath? We have an older large screen rear projection television that might weigh 500 lb. Will this be a problem without plywood?
Yes Peter you can install vinyl plank flooring directly over Tyroc Subflooring in your basement. Tear out carpet before installing Tyroc Subflooring. No additional plywood is needed. And yes the Tyroc Subflooring will easily handle your large screen TV.
We just had a Tyroc subfloor installed over a concrete slab which had been levelled. We have noticed that at least half a dozen of the Tyroc panels have a noticeable flexing as you place weight on them – the centre of the panel moves up and down. We are planning on installing tile over the Tyroc, but we are concerned that the up and down movement of the Tyroc will cause the tiles and/or grout to fracture. Is there a way to secure the panels to the concrete slab?
The weight of the thin set and tile will settle the the Tyroc Subflooring to the contour of your basement floor. If you are concerned you can use Tapcon screws to tighten the panel down in the areas of concern. If you would like to you can send me pictures of these areas and I can review further. Please send them to dweber@bjetinc.com with your contact information. Be sure to install your tile as recommended by the manufacturer and use a modified thinset and modified grout for your installation.
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I live in Kansas city, Kansas 66213 zip code. Where can I buy Tyroc from?
Thanks
Contact us direct with your project needs and we can deliver Tyroc Subflooring direct.
Hi Doug, can you tell me if there are any Home Hardware Store that carries Tyroc near Markham area? I would like to see if they have it in stock so that I can see the product before purchasing it to finish the basement floor. Any suggestions are appreciated…
Thx
Ed
Ed there are several locations in and around Markham. Please call the location nearest you and if they don’t have enough product in stock they can bring it in for you.
I live in Calgary, AB and was just wondering where I can order Tyroc for my basement.
I am wondering if I can use Tyroc in place of Kerdi or Cement board + 6 mil on the walls of a bathroom
Many thanks!
Tom, Tyroc Subflooring is a subflooring and underlayment product. It is not designed for use on the walls in a bathroom or shower stall.
I want to insulate the concrete floor but still allow it to breathe and evaporate moisture. A DriCore system has a good air gap beneath the moisture barrier, but it’s not clear to me that the “channels” in a Tyroc system will function the same way. We don’t have big moisture problems and the basement slab is not graded toward the sump well, it’s more flat, and our concern isn’t so much with flooding but with the normal respiration of the slab and allowing it to breathe.
Secondly, the only flooding that might occur is from appliances in the basement (washing machine, for example). In the event of a flood, would we need to tear up the Tyroc subfloor in order to dry things out?
Anne Tyroc Subflooring was designed to accomplish just what you are looking for. It allows the concrete to breath as well as creates an air flow to help dry any excess moisture due to the concretes normal sweating. With its ship lap seam it is easy to install and creates a moisture barrier as well as thermal and sound barrier. Tyroc is impervious to water and moisture so in a major water event such as a flood or appliance malfunction causing flooding you would not have to tear out Tyroc. It will not swell or absorb moisture and will not feed mold or mildew.
Well! We installed a Tyroc subfloor and have been loving it. However, as I predicted (!!) we did have a minor flooding event here just last night. The Tyroc kept most of the finished portion of the basement safe and dry, but close to where the water came from, the subfloor did get wet and there was enough water to also wet the carpet tiles on top of the subfloor. The tiles are out and drying now (easy; we can re-lay them later) and we’re using fans to dry the Tyroc. Do I need to worry about the water that is surely trapped under the subfloor? Or will that evaporate up as well? Is it necessary or worth it to pull up that small area of subfloor to dry the slab?
Just mop up any excess water over the subfloor and let it dry with out fans. The surface board will not absorb moisture. Any moisture trapped under the subfloor will eventually evaporate as the channels in the subflooring will allow air flow. If you are concerned you can use a hole saw to cut a 2″ hole and use a shop vac to suck any excess water from under the subfloor and reverse and blow any additional moisture then replace the plug (the 2″ piece) back into the panel and seal with some silicon glue. However if you have a drain in your basement floor this is not necessary. \
Can the Tyroc tiles be reused if I need/want to remove the tiles for some reason, such as an unexpected pooling of water? My 30 year old house shows no sign of water problems but it would just be good to know. I am assuming that with the adhesive the tiles would just be throw away. Perhaps, could I just butt them along the cut lines that I would have to make and glue down some thin plywood?
Hi Rick, I’m not sure I understand your questions and may need more clarification. However, as I understand it you are concerned about unexpected pooling (possible flood)of water and if you can reuse the Tyroc Subflooring? The answer would be yes. Tryoc is impervious to water. Tyroc is a floating subfloor system so is not adhered to the substrate surface (concrete or wood substrate above ground). If you have glued your finished floor covering over Tyroc and the finished floor covering was not salvageable you would simply pull up the area affected and replace with new Tyroc panels and recover with your finished flooring. If this installation is in a basement I would not recommend using any plywood or OSB board in your installation at any time.
If you are suggesting that a pooling is taking place due to sump pump failure or drainage failure once again you will be able to pull up the Tyroc Subfloor to get to the problem, fix the problem and replace the Tyroc Subflooring and your finished floor covering. Please let me know if I have addressed your questions or need more clarification.
1. The concrete slab in my basement has some sort of paint or sealant on it. Does this need to be removed prior to installation of Tyroc?
2. If Tyroc is installed inside (rather than under) framing for drywall, does it need to be tied to the gasket under the wood framing to make a complete seal? If so, how is this accomplished?
Hello,
You do not need to remove the paint or sealant. Tyroc Suflooring is butted up to the wall no need for an expansion gap it will not expand or contract. Please let me know if this addresses your questions.
So why do the installation instructions (on your website) recommend leaving a gap around the perimeter?
Thank you for pointing this out. After reviewing the posted instructions I did see some information conflict and will edit this document to be consistent. A 1/4″ gap is not necessary, but you can if you wish to.
I am looking at getting some Tyroc for our basement. I live in Cornwall and can’t seem to find any here. Can I order it through the Rona here?
Yes you can order it through your local Rona Store at 1100 Marleau Ave.
Cornwall ON, K6H 2W8 Phone: 613-938-3300.
If you have any problems please contact us at Customerservice@tyrocinc.com
Doug
Can I get this product in the Buffalo, New York, area? We are finishing our basement and I’m considering putting Tyroc down before carpeting. Thanks.
Yes Tyroc Subflooring can be delivered to Buffalo, NY for your basement subflooring and underlayment for not only your carpet but any other finished flooring you want to install.
When using Tyroc and tile in a basement bathroom, is it OK to mount the toilet and bathtub on top of the Tyroc and tile?
Ed as recommended below install your tub and toilet over the Tyroc Subflooring and then tile up to it as you normally would.
I’m installing Tyroc in my basement which will have carpet & ceramic tile. This is a new project and the Tyroc will be laid first and then the interior walls built in top as you recommend. I have a few questions.
1. What is the recommended way to install carpet over Tyroc. Do you just glue the tack strips to the Tyroc or can they also be nailed?
2. When installing a tub and toliet in the bathroom should they be install on top of the Tyroc & tile?
3. I have some storage areas that I did not plan to finish the floor. What sort of transition should I install from the Tyroc to the bare concrete floor?
Thanks!
Ed,
1. We recommend a bead of PL premium be used under the tackstrip then drive the nails in to secure it while it cures.
2. I would recommend that the tub and toilet be installed on top of the Tyroc. It will make the tiling much easier.
3. A small piece of corner moulding and some construction adhesive can do a reasonable job as a transition. Most DIY stores have corner mould with 1/2 depth. You may want to reconsider and cover your storage area with Tyroc. It will help protect any thing stored directly on the floor from moisture and insects.
Hope this helps.
800 sq ft of wood over Tyroc is excellent. We’re worried about setting the tile over Tyroc in the bathroom, though, because of the flex in the floor. Will it crack the grout? Also, what thinset and grout do you recommend? I see that in the TCNA report they used ‘custom Versabond fortified thinset mortar’ and ‘custom premixed grout’. What exactly is that? The floor guys are trying to steer us towards vinyl click together tile instead of grouted ceramic tile to avoid problems, but I’d really like to try the ceramic installation.
Marnie no need to worry. Tyroc has been tested by the Robinson Flooring test and has met the ASTM standards for tile application over Tyroc in Residential Bathrooms, Kitchens, Foyers.
Just saw a youtube which shows the guys stapling and using PL400 on install of tyroc. Believe your info just advises the PL400 adhesive. Which is correct?
Tom, this is an older video. Stapling in not required. We recommend PL Premium as it has less smell when used in an enclosed environment such as a basement.
We are replacing our basement staircase at the same time as putting down a Tyroc subfloor. Do you recommend building the staircase on top of the Tyroc or directly on the concrete floor?
Jonathan, non supportive (dividing) wall structures can be installed over Tyroc Subflooring. However you have a supportive structure with your staircase and I would recommend that structure be secured directly to the concrete floor.
It was hard to find Tyroc in the Vancouver area, but I had a pallet (152 tiles) shipped from Kelowna for a very reasonable shipping charge from:
OK Builders Supplies Ltd
1095 Ellis St.
Kelowna, BC, V1Y 1Z3
250-762-2422
Fast, friendly service. They really go the extra mile.
We just laid the first room tonight over slab on grade. It went down fast and smooth, cutting easily. Half the bamboo floating floor is in. What a huge difference between standing on this floor and standing on the laminate over foam in the next room. This feels like a real wood floor! It also passes the dog toenail test: dachshund running over bamboo is nice and quiet. Tyroc is worth the expense for ultimate comfort and how liveable the rooms will be.
We’re using PL400 instead of PL Premium. This won’t cause any issues?
Marnie using the PL400 should not cause any issues. Sorry it was hard to find we are working hard at expanding our availability of Tyroc throughout North America.
Hello
And thanks for the prompt reply. Have contacted the store for an order.
Another question: Will I need the standard underlayment that laminate flooring advises or will your top layer suffice?
Tom
Tom,
We recommend following the finished flooring manufacturers requirements to meet their warranty requirements. Often times they require a minimum underlayment so as not to void their warranty. You can go with the minimum underlayment requirement as Tyroc Subflooring provides the moisture barrier, thermal barrier, and comfort. It is also mold and mildew proof and provides that protection to your finished floor covering as well. There is no reason to upgrade the minimal required underlayment as Tyroc provides all of the upgraded underlayment features.
Great product as I have been researching this topic for some days and was frustrated by the complex and pricy systems that did not seem to work.
One question: I will install this over a concrete basement floor laid in 1947 that shows no standing water or any weeping to date-except what appears to be a very short termed leak from a basement window. Plan on using a laminate floor over Tyroc. What experience do you have with these systems with some accidental seepage from a basement window etc. Does the Tyroc allow the water to eventually dry and diffuse to the surface slowly or is it trapped there.
Also would be grateful for a local supplier in the Portland Oregon area.
Thanks
Tom
Hi Tom,Tyroc Subflooring is now available in Portland through Green Depot at 819 SE Taylor Street
Portland, Oregon (503) 222-3881. Tyroc Subflooring is designed to handle the occasional seepage from your basement walls or windows as the water will travel down the wall to the floor. Tyroc is designed to allow for flow of excess moisture to your basement drain (sump pump) and protect your finished floor for any moisture exposure coming from your basement concrete slab. You will also find that with Tyroc Subflooring your finished basement flooring will be warmer and quieter as Tyroc is a moisture, sound and thermal barrier all in one. Perfect for laminate flooring installation in a basement.
Any place in the Denver , Colorado area to order Tyroc?
Hi Jason thank you for your interest in Tyroc. Yes we have distribution in Denver, CO. And when you are ready to order for your 3500 sq.ft. project please let me know and I can direct you to the proper contact in Denver. Thank you for your comment in your last email as well.
“Yes you are. That helps in the planning. I will contact you when ready to order or if the city has any questions. You’re product is exactly what I want.”
I have a customer that put tyroc in his basement. We are looking at putting carpet over it. Is it ok to power stretch the carpet in? Concern is if the floor will lift with that kind of pressure? What is recommended?
I am still awaiting an answer on my question. I do have a customer awaiting a response from me. Could you please respond as soon as you can. Thank you, Judy
Judy,
This question has come up before from another carpet installer. And I told him: use common sense on the tension. If the tack strip is adhered with an adhesive glue (PL Premium as recommended or a self adhesive tack strip) in addition to the normal nails in the tack strip to the Tyroc there should be no problem just as a normal lay down. However if you are going apply more tension for some reason then see below. Your issue here is the Tyroc has already been laid down and I don’t know that there is enough gap to allow the tack strip to be fastened directly to the concrete. Please if you have any questions give me a call. Carpet has been installed over Tyroc in 1,000′s of projects with no concerns.
My VP of Operations and Product Development responded this way.
“If they are going to power stretch the carpet, they should leave a gap around the outside of the room that will allow the tack strip to be fastened directly to the concrete.
This would place all of the tension on the tack strip and avoid any buckling of the Tyroc.”
Hi,
Can I nail a new hardwood floor directly on top of Tyroc? The Tyroc would be installed on top of plywood.
Thanks.
Yes Martin you can nail hardwood flooring directly over Tyroc installed over plywood. Just be sure you are using enough length in your staples/nails to penetrate through the Tyroc (1/2″) to secure into your plywood.
Question…are you installing this floor in a basement or above ground? Just curious.
Hi,
Thank you for your answer. It would be above ground. This house has no basement.
If this is installed as a floating system, how do we power stretch carpet over it?
Hi Doug,
2 questions, I tried to find it above, but if I want to install a floating engineered hardwood on top of tyroc, do I need to put anything in between the two?
And secondly, I live in Etobicoke (Western Toronto) and wanted to see if any of the Rona’s in the area carried your product.
Thanks.
Hello Ty,
There is no need to put any additional barriers between your engineered hardwood and Tyroc as the Tyroc is your moisture barrier. Install your engineered hardwood according to the manufactures recommendations.
You can call the Rona store nearest you to see if they have Tyroc in stock. If not they can order it. You may want to check with Home Hardware as well.
I am in Fredericksburg VA (22401) and would like to know where the nearest dealer to purchase TyRoc is located to me. Also, what’s the approximate per square foot price? Thanks in advance,
Tim
Tim – Tyroc Subflooring is available in Waldorf, MD through Marjam Supply please contact them at (301) 396-4158 for pricing and delivery.
Hello Doug,
I’m interested in using Tyroc in a basement apartment, with a tile finish layer. I read the TCNA test results and was concerned that tiles broke under a 300# wheel load. Would a a Tyroc/tile floor support a couch with 3 X 200# guys sitting on it without cracking the tile? What about supporting a refrigerator?
Bridget
Bridget,
Yes Tyroc Subflooring will perform with a tile installation under these circumstances. Tyroc Subflooring will also protect your tile installation from any moisture issues that is the #1 cause for tile failure over any flooring substrate and particularly over concrete.
The force exerted during the tile test is very high because of the small surface area of the wheel. A 300 lb weight being supported by approx .25 square inches exerts a force of 1200 psi. This compared to 3 guys at 300lbs each sitting on a couch with 4 feet, each foot having at least 1.5 square inches of area. The total force is only 900 lbs spread over 6 square inches or 150 psi. Almost 1/10th of the force exerted during the test. In order to achieve the same force there would need to be 24 300lb guys on the couch. A refrigerator is even less force.
Hope this helps in your choices of selecting a subfloor for your basement project.
Doug
I am considering installing old growth hardwood on top of tyroc in my basement. The hardwood flooring consists of a 3mm layer of the recovered hardwood (recovered from Georgian Bay, as old as 500 years,300+in age, over 100 years submerged) glued to 9 layers of plywood style totalling 19mm. The look is unbelievable and is constructed like todays engineered products. Can I glue it directly to the tyroc, and what type of glue is recommended?
Mark,
Tyroc Subflooring is ideal for engineered hardwoods as it will provide a smooth level surface and a moisture barrier for your finished floor. Yes you can glue it directly to Tyroc. Please follow the manufacturers recommendations in terms of the glue required for their product installation.
Does Tyroc have an odor? I’m sensitive to the smell of tires. I’d love to use this product in our basement.
Lori, Tyroc does not have any off gasing or lingering smell of tires after installation.
In Texas we don’t have basements but we are planning on building slab on grade. I haven’t seen any discussion for this application. We would like wood floors and this seems like it would work well in this situation
Mary Lou,
Tyroc Subflooring was initially designed to solve flooring problems in wet basements (moisture issues, mold and mildew issues etc.) Once entering the market Tyroc has been found to protect any finished floor covering over all concrete floors, including slab on grade and multi-level concrete substrate floors (poured concrete). Tyroc serves as a moisture barrier over any concrete substrate. This is the most common issue with finished flooring over a concrete substrate as concrete is porous. Concrete sweats with changes in temperature and humidity and allows moisture to transfer. Tyroc protects your wood floors from any moisture transfer from the concrete up and provides a stable surface from any potential shift in the concrete slab.
I considering using Tyroc when I finish my basement this winter. I’ve confirmed that the Rona near me (on Rymal Road in Hamilton, ON) carries the product and has it in stock. What I’m wondering is how you secure the walls to floor? Do I still use Tapcons to drill through the 2×4, Tyroc and into the concrete floor?
Yes Jason Tapcons work great. Be sure the walls are none load bearing walls.
Thank you for using Tyroc.
Thanks for the response Doug. One last question, should I put anything between the 2×4 and Tyroc (the pink foam or plastic vapour barrier)?
Jason, no need for the pink foam or plastic vapour barrier as Tyroc will act as your moisture barrier.
I want to install Tyroc in my basement which has Lino tiles over cement. I may be installing electric radiant heating. Can I install the Tyroc on the tiles and do the heating cables go on top of the Tyroc? Also if there were no heating cables can vinyl tiles be applied directly to the Tyroc?
Denis
Denis,
Yes Tyroc can be installed directly over the linoleum tiles that have been installed over cement. And yes you can install your radiant heating system over Tyroc (not under it). And vinyl tiles can be installed over Tyroc according to the vinyl manufacturers recommendations. In this type of assembly Tyroc is the subflooring and should not be considered as a replacement or alternative to the recommended underlayment for the vinyl that is to be installed. Tyroc will naturally warm your floor by about 7-10 degrees (F). So determine if you are using radiant heat to heat your space or just your floor. You will also find that Tyroc will reduce the amount of humidity you may have in your basement currently and therefore provide a dryer, warmer space.
We are installing Tyroc subfloor over the concrete basement floor. We want to use a floating, laminate flooring for the finished floor … I assume we still need an underlayment for the laminate … hubby disagrees. What is your suggestion?
Jan, Tyroc provides the protection as a moisture barrier for the laminate flooring. However, most laminate flooring manufacturers have a specific requirement in their warranty about using an underlayment so as not void their warranty. You can use the most inexpensive type of underlayment to satisfy the manufacturers warranty.
Is it possible to install tyroc on top of a rigid foam insulation product to provide a much higher r-value for a basement floor?
Thanks
Gordon,
Tyroc Subflooring is thermal barrier as well as a moisture barrier. Without specifically testing this type of assembly it would be difficult to say what you may gain in R Value. Tyroc on its own has over a 3.2 R Value and is going to reduce cold from transferring from the slab up and will also reduce heat loss from the top down. We recommend that Tyroc be used as the subfloor – underlayment over the concrete and then what ever you choose to add to it is added on top. That way the Tyroc will protect your finished flooring assembly from any moisture issues and movement (expansion/contraction) in the substrate (i.e. concrete slab). There is a point of diminishing returns (overkill) on adding more materials to a project. You will also want to consider what type of finished floor you are installing over your subfloor assembly. Will the rigid foam support your finished floor? Check the manufacturers specifications. You can apply any type of finished flooring over Tyroc – tile, laminate, engineered or natural hardwood, vinyl or carpet.
Let me know if I can be of any more help
Hi,
The tyroc product does not show up on the Rona.ca website. Do you have it available in Montreal, Quebec?
Mutugi, even though it is not listed on their website if your local store doesn’t have it in stock they can order it through Owl Distribution. Check with your local store manager. Let me know if you aren’t able to find it.
Thanks,
Doug
So..I simply visit the store,ask for the product?..what is owl distribution?
Owl Distribution is wholesale/distributor for Tyroc Subflooring they service the retail dealers. Here was their response did you get it?
Good Morning Mutugi,
You can get Tyroc at Hudson Do-It Centre
CENTRE DO IT HUDSON
HUDSON HARDWARE & SUPPLIES
490 MAIN
HUDSON , Quebec
Yes..I did. Thanks. Another question for you is , how many adhesives pack (PL400) do I need for say 20 panels?
Mutugi, we are recommending PL Premium and you can figure 1 cartridge (coverage 30 linear feet) per 5 panels.
Ignore my last comment..I found the pdf file with all the recommended specs.
Thanks. I’m looking forward to installing the subflor.
Thank you Mutugi for choosing Tyroc.
Looking to install at cabin basement, where is it avialable on vancouver island (Victoria)?
Tyroc is available through Green Building Innovations in Milwaukie, Oregon you can check their website for the phone #. It is a distance but they can deliver.
My husband and I are finishing our cabin basement and are interested in using Tyroc. We are in the Salt Lake area of Utah, USA. Could Tyroc be shipped to us or is there a distributor close by?
Caroline,
Tyroc currently does not have a distributor in Salt Lake. We can deliver it. I will address your specific needs off line in a separate email.
Doug
Where can I purchase Tyroc in the Mississauga area?
Roger – Rona or Home Hardware carries Tyroc. If the store located nearest you does not have it in stock they can order it from Owl Distribution. Please let me know if I can be of any further help.
I was thinking of putting tyroc down as a subfloor in our basement. the basement floor gets very cold in the winter. What is the insulating r-value for tyroc. I can’t seem to find this info anywhere.
Mike,
Tyroc is a thermal barrier and will help insulate your finished floor. Tyroc is currently re-testing its R-value, however we do know Tyroc will raise your floor temperature by as much as 7 – 8 degrees (F) or more. It will also help with your energy bills if you are running a humidifier in addition to heating/cooling.
I just visited the Rona store on Merivale Road in Ottawa and they have not heard of Tyroc. Can you please tell me where in Ottawa I can purchase Tyroc. Thanks.
Eleanor,
Tyroc is available at Home Hardware Building Centers in:
Stittsville HBC, Stittsville ON
Kemptville HBC, Kemptville, ON
Deka HBC, Carp, ON
Owl Distribution is our distributor for ON and informed us that these stores are stocking Tyroc please contact me if I can be any further assistance.
I was thinking of putting tyroc down as a subfloor in our basement. the basement floor gets very cold in the winter. What is the insulating r-value for tyroc. I can’t seem to find this info anywhere. Will tyroc help much?
Also, what kind of smell does the rubber on the bottom layer have and does thsat off gas?
Thanks,
Joe
Joe,
Tyroc is a thermal barrier and will help insulate your finished floor. Tyroc is currently re-testing its R-value, however we do know Tyroc will raise your floor temperature by as much as 7 – 8 degrees (F) or more. It will also help with your energy bills if you are running a humidifier in addition to heating/cooling. There may be a light odor from the rubber when first laid dependent on the manufacture and delivery dates, however once installed and properly ventilated Tyroc has no off gas or persistent odor. Just like any new flooring it has a “new floor” smell for a couple of days. Let me know if you have any futher questions.
I live in Halifax, Nova Scotia. I have contacted the local Rona and Home Hardware stores but they have not heard of your Tyroc product. I want to use Tyroc for my basement subfloor. How fast can you folks get a shipment to Halifax? (I need 270 square feet). Thanks.
May currently we do not have a dealer in Halifax. We will connect offline to determine if we can help you direct.
Tyroc is distributed on the East Coast from Maine to Virginia and we are establishing new dealers every day.
Thank you for your interest in Tyroc.
Doug, Rona on Parkdale in Hamilton have never heard of Tyroc =
subflooring. I spoke with Terry Hnatyshyn telephone 905-547-3444. Will =
I be able to get Tyroc subflooring in Hamilton? To-morrow we will do =
the rough in plumbing for the bathroom. What are the dimensions of a =
Tyroc sheet?
The Rona store at 1245 Rymal Road East, Hamilton, Ontario L8W 3N1
Ph: 905-383-3355 carries Tyrco and has in stock. I will email contact name under seprate email.
Thanks, Doug
Your product information indicates that ceramic tile can be installed on top of Tyroc. When I checked with my tile installer, he said he would recommend against this because Tyroc is a floating subfloor. He said that if there is any vertical movement, the tiles or grout would crack. Can you comment on this?
John,
Tyroc has been tested by the TCNA (Tile Council of NorthAmerica) using the industry standard Robinson-Type Floor Tester and meant thestandards for ASTM C627 installation guidelines for Ceramic Floor Tile Installation Systems for Residentialapplications. This test report andothers are available on our website. Here is the link to the page http://www.tyrocinc.com/tyroc-specs-testing-reports/
You can also view a testimony from a contractor that usedTyroc as an underlayment over wood and concrete substrate finished with tile onthis page http://www.tyrocinc.com/actual-tyroc-installations/tile-installed-over-tyroc-subfloor/
Tyroc does recommend using a modified thin set and grout.
If you are starting from a completely unfinished basement, what is the recommended installation order: Tyroc all the way to the concrete walls then build walls *on top* of Tyrox OR build walls on concrete floor then install Tyroc?
Thanks.
Stephen you can build
non-load bearing
framing walls over Tyroc. I would recommend triming the ship-lap edges so you have a blunt edge against the outer wall. Tyroc will not expand or contract from temperature differences or moisture (it is impervious to moisture and water). However you want to keep in mind that you will be building up the floor by 1/2″ in height and will need to allow for that in your framing.Is Tyroc subflooring available in Hamilton Area? I can not location on Rona or Home Hardware web site. Is it special order? How long would a special order take?
Thanks, regards
Don,
There is a Rona Store in Hamilton, ON. Give them a call or email me at dweber@bjectinc.com and I will follow up on Monday with the manager.
633 Parkdale Ave. North
Hamilton ON, L8H 5Z1
Phone: 905-547-3444
Thanks Doug. I will visit store on Tuesday. Monday is a holiday.
Don, I will be sure to check with the store manager as well and if he does not have it in stock he can get it very quickly.